A podcast series by John Kadiman
Second Degree
Every story has a turning point.
Usually, it's a person.
Two chairs. One story.
Conversations with people John has met, about the one person or moment that changed everything for them.
A podcast series by John Kadiman
Second Degree
Every story has a turning point.
Usually, it’s a person. Second Degree is conversations with people John has met, about the one person or moment that changed everything for them.
About the show
Nobody gets there alone.
Every story has a turning point. Usually, it’s a person.
A coach who saw something. A boss who took a chance. A stranger at the right moment.
Each episode, John sits down with someone he’s met and goes back to the one person or moment that changed everything for them, and what they did next.
It’s John’s own show, separate from No Small Plans and the club: his questions, his guests, his voice. No scripts and no highlight reels. Just how it actually happened.
Before
Where they started, and the path everyone expected them to take.
The turning point
The one person or moment that changed everything.
After
What they built from there. What worked, what didn't.
Season 01 · Airing November 2026
Episodes
Season 01 starts in November 2026. Guests are announced as each episode drops.
- 01Guest to be announcedAiring November 2026
- 02Guest to be announcedTo be announced
- 03Guest to be announcedTo be announced
- 04Guest to be announcedTo be announced
- 05Guest to be announcedTo be announced
- 06Guest to be announcedTo be announced
Your host
John Kadiman
Raised in Indonesia. Wheaton College, Dartmouth Tuck and the London School of Economics. A year and a half in M&A, then he walked away to found No Small Plans and Wheaton Wanderers FC. Second Degree is the conversation he wanted to hear before he made the leap.
Read John’s story